A lot of stuff

Some interesting points there and it's also worth mentioning that CCP have made changes in the past to incentivise players to spread out rather than cluster together. The removal of agent quality was meant to encourage people to move out of the old mission super-hubs like Dodixie and Motsu and we have recently seen the change to take the pressure off Osmon by introducing the Sisters agents in Lanngisi and Apanake.

That's just it: they can. If they started leveraging the mechanics that let them trade from surrounding systems, it would be even easier.

Hopefully this'll give perimeter market a bit of a nudge.

Nonni, Nonni, Nonni with a dash of Sobaseki! Just stay out of Aunenen. Although, at the moment you're giving away far too many secrets that will allow an enterprising Caldari to profit ...

Its actually the same deal with Ammar and Dodixie, the major hubs are all only one jump from entire regions with seperate markets.

When my main was only a few months old he made most of his money buying cheap in Ammar and selling at literally double the price one jump away in Kor Azor Prime. There seemed to be an amazing number of players who either could not be bothered checking Ammar prices on Eve Central or simply wanted to avoid Ammar for some reason. These days the 20 or 30 mill a week I made is not worth the bother but at the time it was a lucrative sideline that made more than low level missioning for a fraction of the time invested.

The RL comparison sounds great but Eve is a game and not RL. If it was RL CONCORD would take action against those that scooped the loot of a suicide gank. You think the cops are just going to watch my buddy unload the cash from an armored car after I attacked it? LOL


Bottom line is people want to be able to play whatever game their playing. If it's an MMO and the servers can't handle the load this is never a good thing. Does it happen?... Of course! Eve isn't exclusive to this. Should CCP try to fix it... definitely!

In the remote possibly you're not trolling I'll entertain you...

Upgrade their hardware to handle more players. Yes many MMO's suffer lag and other issues with the main areas but these are workable issues.

Have you read the CCP responses on this? Go here and click CCP Explorer's DEV badge to read through his responses. Go right to the through to the end, reading every post. Somewhere in there he also tells you how to solve the problem.



Amusingly, didn't CCP get permission to visit a military grade installation to see what their hardware setup was like? I'll see if I can find the link again.

And here you go. Military grade hardware

Buy a bigger bucket.

So maybe instead of just buying new buckets you figure out the best way to spread out the water with your current buckets so you don't spill any and still collect all the water you need.

Ill tell you how to get people to stop filling up your Jita bucket.

Let them buy and receive products from Jita, in New Caldari. Without requiring players to initiate session change in Jita. Simple solutions for simple problems.

I buy from Jita 4/4 it shows up in the New Caldari station I bought it from. Poof your bucket isn't no longer getting full but still doing its job, people can get product off Jita market without going into Jita AT ALL, and everyone is happy. Except for the lames who camp the Jita gates on Saturday because they need to have their PVP spoonfed to them by CCP.

No fantasy-mmo-style magic mailboxes plz. I'd rather see an additional 0.5% Jita sales tax. Also, that derogatory language is pretty f-ing unwarranted.

Indeed it will. Good to see you're finally learning.

Doesn't fix the problem though. I can go somewhere else, and someone will take my place. The problem doesn't change if we all go someplace else. If Amarr suddenly became the #1 place to be, they would just cap Amarr, or Dodixie, or Rens, or any other system.

Asking people to go use other systems doesn't fix the problem. It doesn't even remedy it. Fixing the problem is making it so there doesn't need to be a cap in the first place. Which is something that CCP should be doing.

Its the same thing with TIDI. Tidi doesn't fix anything, it just allowed CCP to kick the can down the road a couple years. Instead of 1K people in a system before the node blows up we get 4K people in system. That isn't a fix, it is a remedy.

Just like the drone assist change. We going to lower drones to 50 max per assist. Still doesn't change the fact that there going to be 5+*X ships on grid shitting the servers up.

Fix problems CCP, kicking them down the road isn't good design, it is lazy.

You think the Caldari Empire would say..."Don't worry about it guys just go to Dodoxie we don't want your ISK flooding up our capitalist enterprise give it to the Gallente instead!"

You fail to see because you don't know what a market hub is.

And again "go somewhere else" does not solve the issue with Jita needing a cap, and that cap being exceeded.

Im not blaming anyone other than CCP for refusing to address what is becoming a more and more serious issue.

and no "Go somewhere else" is not a solution. CCP has given us the capacity to do whatever we want. They cater to the 80K dudes in nullsec by using every hardware trick they can conceive to keep 4K man fights going for 12+ hours. Yet they can't be assed to figure out how to get 4K dudes into Jita during primetime on Friday>Monday.

I never said you couldn't. I just said you don't know how market hubs work. Which is painfully obvious if you think moving a market hub solves this problem. I seed markets all over high and low sec. I have no issue moving product outside of Jitas area of influence. But that doesn't change the fact that there is a problem with the game, and CCP should be working to fix that problem. Not telling people to just go somewhere else.

Lets assume everyone just says **** Jita and goes to Amarr instead. What is the solution for when Amarr gets over capacity...just move somewhere else?

Why not just fix the problem and be done with it, and the easiest least way with minimal impact on current gameplay is to just have product purchased in adjacent solar systems be delivered to those solar systems. This doesn't hurt prices, this doesn't hurt contracts, this doesn't hurt trading, and it allows people the ability to still buy crap from a central location without having to depend on a cap. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away, telling people to move doesn't get rid of the problem.

Having the systems next to the main hubs in each "empires" space to handle overflow is not going to damage anything about the game currently. Sole exception being that gankers won't have Saturday afternoon fish barrels. But you are incapable of understanding this because you don't know what a market hub is.

Your problem, is simple..

Its all the other people whom are competing with you for access to Jita.

Its not Jita systems nominal population cap.
Its not that you cant magically teleport your commodities over lightyears without using players to transport it.
Its not that massive battles can happen elsewhere in the universe.
Its not that there are no other established hubs that you can operate at.
Its not that in some distant future another Jitalike monolithic hub may develop, thereafter to fall.

Its. Other. People. Competing. With. You. To. Get. Into. Jita.

They are players. This is a player driven and created situation.

As such, CCP has nothing to do with it.
If CCP was to intervene and artififially increase Jitas cap above that of other stations, that would violate the unwritten rule of no direct intervention in the player driven economy. Jita is at its max capacity. Players have done this, not CCP. And its players that jeed to deal and adapt to it, not CCP.

Okay trying to get back on topic...

Someone said this isn't a hardware issue but rather an issue with the game software. I will look for the dev post on this when I get on my computer.

Calling not being able to get into a system due to the game not being able to handle the load PVP is just silly. If anything this just prevents PVP by not allowing more pilots to compete.

Wrong. They make up a percentage of the cap number.

lol
That just made you look dumb. Load and pilots in system are totally different. AFAIK Jita is capped at 2100 pilots, not 2100 pilots in space. What I believe that means is if there are 200 spammers and 500 afk out of 2100 players in system you have 700 people being queued at the gate extra than if you had no spammers and afks in Jita were logged out with inactivity timer.

Look at the post above yours, numbskull.

I read the post which is why I set the 200 spammers 500 afk people as an example, not just spammers, numbskull.

Here we have it, ladies and gentlemen. The only poster on the forums who can argue against a blue saying:



Just because I told them about it. Now that is antagonism, some of you could learn from this.

Or better yet, his thread in Assembly Hall about timers, if you can find it.

Players and Player actions should always be > Server.

Imo player actions and player made content (such as sneak attacks in deserted systems) should have priority over automation as much as possible.

Yeah this fantastic logic. "There's no problem with the application because if there was the users would have worked around it years ago.".

Exactly. :)

Thats not possible if the server prevents players from creative play.

Oh okay fair enough. My apologies.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're effectively saying is,when it comes to Jita cap, one person doesn't necessarily mean one person. I've always been curious about it.

You guys basically break it down to a measurement (lets call them lag bubbles). One person's actions may mean they're worth 5 "lag bubbles", while another person may only be worth one.

Jita has an average idea, overall, of how much lag each player is worth. That translates into the cap. You get traffic controlled, when Jita is unexpectedly handling more "lag bubbles" than it should. Lets say, in example, one person on average equals two lag bubbles, but the last guy jumping in, he's generating 5 bubbles. Jita has to block gates, until those excess units bleed off somehow.

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Just theorycrafting.

If I was the big man of CCP and let's say walked down to the IT guys and told them I wanted to solve the Jita issue for ever and initiate operation Jita4All whatever the price may be.

So I would want to know what the objectives should be:

Maximum capacity: the peek number of players that would ever want to enjoy themselves at the same time in Jita.
(if it's lets say 8000 I would want a 25% over size to never even possibly have to close, so 10000)

So what would be required in hardware?
6 cores?

in software?
rewrite the whole node and related code, 60-100 man days?

What do I get in return?
5% more GTC/month, happier customers?

Yes. There's no reason why it would generate more subscriptions, especially compared to far easier and quicker additions or alterations, and the teeth-grinding would just switch over to the next topic.

And no, a manager making an uninformed decision and demanding the impossible does not change the rules, it just makes him look stupid.

Well do you know what the 100 spammers are doing besides just spamming? What is to say they are doing less than an 100 active pilots that just want to dock to buy/sell and check stuff or just chat with the others?
To simple just dismiss leads me to believe you are happy to have spammers in the game.
How much processing is on everyone's block lists when spammers are blocked?
You get rid of spammers, then you might get new players and probably more people buying and selling stuff (you know a better economy).
Mind you with the amount of spammers, CCP could lose a lot of revenue lol
No matter what - make sure that block list is capable of holding 1000+ since from what I have witnessed - every spammer toon has at least 10 alts - lol

Small suggestion about people waiting on gate for enter locked system... why don't made visible queue on gate in such case ?

*information box* Welcome Capsuler, there is only n (Your place in queue) vessels waiting for jump, please stand by... or something like that.

EDIT_1: also I don't want to irritate anyone , but I don't think that pilling up more and more players buying in single place is beneficial for the rest of eve universe, if more people would decide to use other trade super-hubs, they would decrease load on Jita and benefit other markets (I'm not trade expert, just my common sense).